Greetings HOA Neighbors
A few updates on the HOA and the Dissolution option.
Most importantly, if you support HOA dissolution your voice is needed, especially at the May 9th HOA spring meeting. If you can't attend send a proxy vote form with another owner so your vote is counted on financial issues.
Hope to see you at the HOA Meeting May 9th 6:30PM
I am trying to keep the HOA dissolution option active, but need help. If you would like to post a comment on the dissolution website let us know at <a href="mailto:qvffbyirgurubn@tznvy.pbz">qvffbyirgurubn@tznvy.pbz</a>. Other HOA owners need to hear your voice.
Current Financial Issue,
The Announced New Pool Cover Vote: Fact, the pool was not designed for a cover. The current cover was purchased by owners a few years after the pool was operational. The cover was purchased, and concrete anchors drilled into the border sidewalk to secure it. This was done back in the early HOA years. As I recall the reasons were mostly for liability and safety concerns in the off season. Many BOT have explored other cover options, a topic for another time. The pool had a different shorter fence back then. For liability insurance a cover is not needed. The pool was designed to not have a cover so why spend thousands of dollars to buy a new one? Last year, one pool operator said it is needed to keep the pool water clean, this is not accurate. The pool gets filthy with the cover on it. The pool is frozen for several months, providing a natural cover. When I was on the BOT, the pool was fully cleaned and water was replaced each spring. Recently, current operators preferred to keep the old dirty water and clean it. If they are trying to vacuum debris like leaves through the filters that would be bad. Pool operators should be using pool nets to remove debris, not the vacuum. That is how the pool was designed to operate. Without a cover the cost of an hour of two of additional cleaning with a net is not that much. Is it worth the thousands of dollars for a new cover to save an hour of cleaning? In my opinion it is not. More can be discussed about this like a different type of cover and covering the pool every night etc. Trying to keep this brief so many tangents are not covered. I will vote no for buying a new cover, how will you vote? Send a proxy if you can’t attend so your vote will count.
What are the other repair priorities on the HOA property? I would think the heaters, lights or other vital components are a higher priority than an unnecessary cover. As an owner I have not seen a list of future maintenance or repairs?
Where are the newsletters showing photos and explaining maintenance plans to the owners?
In Response to Darren’s HOA April 17th 2024 Email:
With the help of some other owners, I posted <a href="https://dissolvethehoa.info">some comments</a> on the website. These comments were referenced by Mr. Darren Gerber in a recent email to everyone. Darren assumed I sent this out to the HOA in an email. I never sent my comments out to anyone, but Darren felt like he needed to dispute some of my comments in an official HOA email to everyone. To be clear, a few on the current BOT are very good representatives and qualified leaders who I appreciate and respect their service to the owners. It's ok to respectfully disagree.
Right now, Mr. Darren Gerber and the BOT has focused on me and my comments. Darren represents the BOT, for now. That might change at the May 9th owners meeting. Dissolution support is ongoing and support is growing. It looks like it will take more time for the necessary majority of owners to recognize the significant financial challenges headed their way. Right now, we have not received enough owner's support to call for a formal dissolution vote. I believe it is inevitable due to the significant future growing repair and maintenance costs. Swimming Pools are expensive, and the cost is high for 161 owners. For now, lets keep dissolution open and vote to keep HOA spending minimized.
Historically the HOA would send out a full newsletter with photos and details before the spring meeting. I don't recall seeing an HOA newsletter for a very long time, wonder why? The owner's only see an occasion email from Darren. Very uninformative about HOA issues. As an owner I would like to see photos of the brick damage requiring an emergency $26,000 expense.
Darren and the BOT want to vote on buying a new and unnecessary pool cover on May 9th. Rather than present the BOT reasons and options for the owners about this vote, Darren decided to email everyone about his disagreements on dissolution? A few facts for the owners:
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<li>The pool was designed to not have a cover.</li>
<li>Pool water should be cleaned with pool net before using a water vacuum.</li>
<li>A cover doesn't keep the water clean and its not needed for liability, So why buy one?</li>
<li>Cost estimates? I think they said $12,000 or $17,000 last fall. I don't remember and the HOA has not sent anything out I have seen?</li>
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A few quick response points to Darren’s email:
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<li>Dirty Pool water; look back at the few emails from the HOA in 2023.</li>
<li>Vandalism; again, look back at 2023 emails from the HOA. Also, you decide is crime in the HOA more or less likely with an HOA Park?</li>
<li>Clarifying that a 121 owners vote is needed to dissolve. My number was an estimate, but good, now we shoot for 121 before asking for a formal vote.</li>
<li>BOT unhelpful; This technical legal issue. Every owner has full rights to all HOA records, except any PII or payroll. Not worth my time at this point to pursue. Oddly enough Darren failed to let the owners know that he carelessly released everyone's email address anyway on 8-14-2023 when using a non-HOA email account. By Darren’s standards was that not a breach of confidential data?</li>
<li>Dissolution Vote fist; Darren disputes this priority. How is any developer interested if the vote is only a theory? Darren can do his "due diligence" any time, but spending any HOA money before a formal vote is a waste. The HOA does not become a developer after a dissolution vote, the owners sell the property.</li>
<li>Money owners may get, $0-$10,00; This is absolutely a guess based on what current WJ lots sale for.</li>
<li>One year of key fob scanning does not demonstrate anything statistically. Usage is declining by observation compared to years in the past.</li>
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Good Financial Sense:
The HOA, the Park, the pool, and BOT have a direct financial impact on each owner. What happens with the HOA is a financial decision made by the owners. HOA expenses are only growing. Is it a wise financial decision for 161 owners to keep the park and pool? West Jordan City taxpayers’ number over 116,961. West Jordan has many large parks and facilities available. Does the Pebblecreek HOA pool make financial sense for 161 owners? A few other questions; In the beginning Peterson Development and West Jordan City created the HOA and they knew what they were doing? They did the feasibility study showing the subdivision would be sustainable, right? Someone did their due diligence, right? NO, none of that happened. The HOA was created by Peterson Development to resolve a dispute with the City. It was implemented after the subdivision was already being built. That is why some subdivision homeowners are not HOA members in this subdivision. This HOA is mistake that should have never happened. This HOA was not created to be a success. It was created to solve a problem for Peterson Development.
BOT Qualifications:
When you hire a person to do a job for you do you care about qualifications? Skilled volunteers are needed to manage the HOA. Financial and Management skills are vital. For example, would you hire an Amazon deliver driver to be your accountant? Probably not. The HOA needs a few properly skilled owners to stay self-managed, both with financial and management skills. For years this has been a hopeful goal, to keep cost down and be self-managed with skilled owner volunteers. The learning curve is steep for owners. What happens when no skilled owners volunteer?
Neutral Operation:
The Board of Trustees (BOT) should try to be neutral or be open with any bias they have. Regarding dissolution, over recent years the BOT started promoting the idea that dissolution was NOT an option. That was simply wrong and not neutral. In recent months the BOT has changed their view and now recognizes dissolution is a valid option for the owners.
Owner Information New, information and Updates:
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<li>Where are the newsletters with details and photos for the owners to understand HOA issues?</li>
<li>Where are the Yearly statistical comparisons for owner’s review, cash flow, delinquencies etc.</li>
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Owner Usage Statistics: One year of key fob scanning does not demonstrate anything statistically. If the HOA had 10 years of key fob data to share that would be statistically relevant, but a year means nothing. All I have is observation. Several years ago, the pool would be full on weekends and holidays. The park volleyball court had people using it almost every evening and especially on weekends. Without real statistical data owner observation is key. For owners that have been around a few years, do you see the pool and park used as much as in the past? Make your own determination.
BOT and CCRs;
The Board of Trustees (BOT) should read, understand and follow the HOA’s CCR: Too often BOT members don’t bother to even read the CCRs and don’t understand these are the BOT lawful HOA rules they must follow. This is a serious problem. Lately this has improved slightly as I have often raised concerns about the BOT not following the CCRs.
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<li>Where are the BOT meetings and when? The CCRs talk about posted and available meetings to any owner? Is that part of being open to the owners, transparency of operation? Why wouldn’t you?
Care and maintenance of the facility:</li>
<li>For example, why were the volleyball and tennis court nets left up all winter to deteriorate with exposure.</li>
<li>What else was not winterized properly last year?</li>
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Send your comments in if you would like them posted on this site. Nothing anonymous will be accepted.
Again, Hope to see you at the HOA Meeting May 9th 6:30PM
All the best

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